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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236211106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236211106">(Apr 26 2021 at 17:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey all, meeting in 1 hour 40 minutes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236211305" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236211305">(Apr 26 2021 at 17:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>agenda: <a href="https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/rJSuj3WMO">https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/rJSuj3WMO</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218495" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218495">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>Is the meeting starting?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218516" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218516">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>no</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218536" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218536">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>calendar has it starting in 1 hour</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218596" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218596">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>2pm?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218620" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218620">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>uh</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218641" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218641">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think so</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218727">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><time datetime="2021-04-26T19:00:00Z">2021-04-26T12:00:00-07:00</time></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218760" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218760">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>2pm my time.  It's 1:07 now.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236218768" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236218768">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:08)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236225578" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236225578">(Apr 26 2021 at 18:57)</a>:</h4>
<p>3 minute warning</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236225966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236225966">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright, meeting time everyone</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236225976" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236225976">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="wave" class="emoji emoji-1f44b" role="img" title="wave">:wave:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226078" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226078">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>we will start with reviewing the action items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226106" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226106">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/Hyj7kRSld">https://hackmd.io/@rust-libs/Hyj7kRSld</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226221" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226221">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>whose here?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226307" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226307">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>looks like we have 5, based on the wave</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226323">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>also, can someone take minutes?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226334">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't think Sean will be able to attend today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226375" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226375">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="owl" class="emoji emoji-1f989" role="img" title="owl">:owl:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226429" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226429">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>gonna start with actions items that have been resolved since the last meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226432" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226432">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
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<p>summarize the discussion in zulip about 3rd party libraries and record the guidance in a new tracking issue about the book</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> oliver <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226548">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm in a web call atm as well</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226607" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226607">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I went ahead and created a tracking issue for the book and added a comment summarizing the zulip thread where we discussed 3rd party deps in the book</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226608" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226608">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/issues/38#issuecomment-821673122">https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/issues/38#issuecomment-821673122</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226671" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226671">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>for now though the book is mostly on hold, with the exception of the diagram that <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344328">@Charles Ellis O'Riley Jr.</span> is working on</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226696">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we've put a pause on the book meetings for now since we're not actively working on it for the most part</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226736">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
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<p>[rust-lang/rfcs#2895] Update object-provider API in generic member access RFC to utilize new dyno design (Jane Lusby) include an example of how dyno could be used for executors</p>
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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226762" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226762">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>I went ahead and updated this RFC, though it's still blocked right now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226821" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226821">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>the new plan is to split out the type erasure support code into its own RFC, because its complicating the generic member access RFC significantly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226857" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226857">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>and the additional benefit to executors is easier to express if we have it in it's own RFC</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226901">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="263805">@Plecra</span> has volunteered to work on that RFC, though I think it will be a little while since they're currently doing finals and stuff afaik</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236226963" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236226963">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>so for now that's on the back burner but it is progressing</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227031" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227031">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>[x] Add issues for various action items that need to be tracked in repo [Jane]<br>
    - [x] create an issue tracking the desire for an <code>abort</code>ing interface for <code>panic</code>s [Jane]<br>
    - [x] create an issue for a non allocating interface for printing a <code>Backtrace</code> [Jane]<br>
    - [x] <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/projects/1#card-54364288">https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/projects/1#card-54364288</a> [Jane]</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227054" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227054">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I went ahead and made issues for all of thse</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227076" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227076">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think i actually did this a while ago, but only recently cleaned up the bullets on the action items doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227129" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227129">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>follow up on “Fix the Error trait” issue to get the todo list updated issue: [DPC]</p>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227147" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227147">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I also went ahead and finished this one</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227253" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227253">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I added a bullet point to the top level comment indicating that its primarily blocked on the backtrace incore impl, and made it clear that the formatting representation issue is no longer blocking</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227292" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227292">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>[ ] Discuss termination stabilization concerns with libs team <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/43301#issuecomment-761900006">issue</a>: [Jane]<ul>
<li>[ ] internal representation decision</li>
<li>[x] relation to specialization soundness<br>
    - solvable with extension to specialization</li>
</ul>
</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227311" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227311">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>Now onto open action items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227368" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227368">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>During my conversation with Niko about the error handling blog post he mentioned that he felt we could probably resolve the specialization issues with <code>Termination</code> and <code>unwrap</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227385" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227385">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>or just about anything that specializes <code>Error</code> over <code>Debug</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227441" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227441">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>the gist of how it works is that we'd have a way to indicate that something specializes for all implementations that apply universally</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227562" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227562">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can't recall the example used to explain how this works, so I can't really explain the exact mechanism at the moment</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227629" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227629">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>but basically theres a subset of impls of traits that could cause issues with soundness, and we can just not specialize those impls, and then add a lint to warn if an impl is not specializable</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227640" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227640">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>if you have time to look for it later I would be glad to learn more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227659" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227659">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227672" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227672">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me write down a reminder</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227700" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227700">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227806" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227806">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>I need to go back and lookup the status of the internal representation issue</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227875" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227875">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think if we can resolve that issue we can possibly bring this up to libs as ready for stabilization, and then add the specialization for <code>Error</code> later once the work around is available</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236227923" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236227923">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>AFAIK it is related to different platforms having different types for exit status code</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228014" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228014">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>[ ] publish blog post on major plans of the error handling project group then follow up with API guidelines edits<br>
    - [ ] Update API guidelines to add a section on implementing Display vs source: [oliver, you?]</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228070" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228070">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>so I've had the conversation with niko and am actively working on the rewrite</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228105" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228105">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I hope to have it done today or tomorrow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228171">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<ul>
<li>[ ] create a diagram mapping out the pieces of error handling and how they relate for the book (e.g. Result, panic, Try, Error, etc) <a href="https://cryptpad.fr/whiteboard/#/2/whiteboard/edit/-6jfprO3FhpWBFEe4MY6uAhM/">whiteboard</a> [Chas]</li>
</ul>
</blockquote>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228240">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>In the last book meeting on Thursday <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="281739">@oliver</span> <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344328">@Charles Ellis O'Riley Jr.</span> and I discussed next steps for the diagram and decided that the next step is to port the diagram to graphviz</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228271" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228271">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>so we can store it in the git repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228302">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344328">@Charles Ellis O'Riley Jr.</span> is currently working on that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228396" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228396">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>last two action items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228402" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228402">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>[ ] Get in touch with the Infrastructure team in order to gather metrics on engagement around the PEH blog post</li>
<li>[ ] <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/issues/7">[rust-lang/project-error-handling#7]</a> reach out to the author of the error codes issue (Jane Lusby)</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228446" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228446">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>still no progress on either of these items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228480" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228480">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228483" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228483">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228696" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228696">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228707" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228707">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<p>so there are no issues to triage this week</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228738" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228738">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>so next up I think we should review the project board, which we haven't done in a while</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228756">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/projects/1">https://github.com/rust-lang/project-error-handling/projects/1</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228788" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228788">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<p>starting with the proposed column</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228813">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/79692">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/pull/79692</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228865">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>we need to reopen this PR which Ashley was working on before he stepped down from libs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228919" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228919">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>actually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228924" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228924">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>before we get too far</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236228942" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236228942">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>is anyone looking for something to work on right now?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229053" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229053">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>well, would be nice to get something to work on while other things are blocked <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229088" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229088">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>do you want to take the PR above?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229111" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229111">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the implementation is complete, it just needs to be re-opened and pushed through review</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229168" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jakub Duchniewicz <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229168">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes, sure</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229172">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229298" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229298">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>next up is <a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/46871">https://github.com/rust-lang/rust/issues/46871</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229323">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is an issue asking why NoneError doesn't implement Error</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229370" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229370">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the next steps are that we need to review the discussion so far and leave an explanation of why it doesn't / won't</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229474" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229474">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>my current understanding is that we don't even want <code>NoneError</code> to exist, because it doesn't represent an error, and we'd prefer to push people towards using <code>ok_or</code> when they want to convert an <code>Option</code> into a <code>Result</code></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229631" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229631">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>we might want to touch base with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="125270">@scottmcm</span> who I think has some opinions on this and mentioned some interaction with the Try trait</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229716" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229716">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>is anyone interested in following up on this Issue?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236229778" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236229778">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>I will put it as unassigned for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230009">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>skipping ahead a few items</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230015" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230015">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://github.com/rust-lang/backtrace-rs/issues/397">https://github.com/rust-lang/backtrace-rs/issues/397</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230074" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230074">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think this might be a good one to follow up on, basically I'd like to update documentation where we can on how <code>panic = abort</code> interacts with backtraces, likely in the <code>std::backtrace</code> documentation.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230094" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230094">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>gonna add this to the action items as unassigned, lmk if you're interested in working on it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230282" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230282">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>hmm</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230318" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230318">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>there's quite a few of these that I should probably update to be unclaimed action items that people can grab if they're looking for work</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230360">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I'm not sure its an effective use of meeting time to work on this, for now I think I'm gonna stop the project board review, and ill continue this async and post a summary of the work that is available after I'm done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230373" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230373">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-topic</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230377" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230377">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to add on the current topic?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if not.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230490">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>what's up <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="344328">@Charles Ellis O'Riley Jr.</span> ?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230622" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230622">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I didn’t have anything to add.  Did I hit a wrong button</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230776" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scottmcm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230776">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="220273">Jane Lusby</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236229474">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>my current understanding is that we don't even want <code>NoneError</code> to exist, because it doesn't represent an error, and we'd prefer to push people towards using <code>ok_or</code> when they want to convert an <code>Option</code> into a <code>Result</code></p>
</blockquote>
<p>With the <code>try_trait_v2</code> PR I'm currently working on:<br>
<a href="/user_uploads/4715/qcV8CCBJf5QGKGeYfDPlivo6/image.png">image.png</a> <br>
The compiler will stop mentioning <code>NoneError</code>, which will hopefully make these questions go away <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>
<div class="message_inline_image"><a href="/user_uploads/4715/qcV8CCBJf5QGKGeYfDPlivo6/image.png" title="image.png"><img src="/user_uploads/4715/qcV8CCBJf5QGKGeYfDPlivo6/image.png"></a></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236230930" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236230930">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="344328">Charles Ellis O'Riley Jr.</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236230622">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>I didn’t have anything to add.  Did I hit a wrong button</p>
</blockquote>
<p>hehe, yes but thats okay</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231009" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231009">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="125270">scottmcm</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236230776">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="220273">Jane Lusby</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236229474">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>my current understanding is that we don't even want <code>NoneError</code> to exist, because it doesn't represent an error, and we'd prefer to push people towards using <code>ok_or</code> when they want to convert an <code>Option</code> into a <code>Result</code></p>
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<p>With the <code>try_trait_v2</code> PR I'm currently working on:<br>
<a href="/user_uploads/4715/qcV8CCBJf5QGKGeYfDPlivo6/image.png">image.png</a> <br>
The compiler will stop mentioning <code>NoneError</code>, which will hopefully make these questions go away <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>
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<p>omg that looks sooo good</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231023">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span> <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span> <span aria-label="heart" class="emoji emoji-2764" role="img" title="heart">:heart:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231114" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231114">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>Alright, last section of the meeting is status updates if anyone has anything they'd like to discuss</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231568" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Senyo Simpson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231568">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>Question from much earlier but why is the error handling book being put on pause?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231595">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="402193">Senyo Simpson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236231568">said</a>:</p>
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<p>Question from much earlier but why is the error handling book being put on pause?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>lack of capacity, nobody has the time to work on it currently</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231617" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231617">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm focused on the blog post and moving the error trait into core</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231709" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231709">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>sean has not had time to work on the project group work recently</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231813" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231813">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>charles is currently working on the diagram, so that's still in progress</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231864" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Senyo Simpson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231864">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ahh of course. Happy to help where I can there. I'm a bit under the water for the coming month but can dedicate some time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236231874" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236231874">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>and nobody else has expressed interest in writing sections of the book afaik</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232000" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232000">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="402193">Senyo Simpson</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236231864">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>Ahh of course. Happy to help where I can there. I'm a bit under the water for the coming month but can dedicate some time</p>
</blockquote>
<p>sure! let me know when you have time and we can schedule some time to talk about the plans so far and coordinate the next steps</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Senyo Simpson <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232018">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>Perfect :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scottmcm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232068">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="220273">Jane Lusby</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236231009">said</a>:</p>
<blockquote>
<p>omg that looks sooo good</p>
</blockquote>
<p>Send kudos to the folks who invented <code>rustc_on_unimplemented</code> -- it's actually done entirely by a (very, very long) attribute in libcore:<br>
<a href="/user_uploads/4715/3hi7M50LYMpst99bcQ56djE9/image.png">image.png</a></p>
<div class="message_inline_image"><a href="/user_uploads/4715/3hi7M50LYMpst99bcQ56djE9/image.png" title="image.png"><img src="/user_uploads/4715/3hi7M50LYMpst99bcQ56djE9/image.png"></a></div>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232120" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232120">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>wooow</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232151" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232151">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>this seems suspiciously like something esteban would have done</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232212" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scottmcm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232212">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>That'd be my bet too :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232221" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232221">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232240">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>alright well I think that's everything for now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232249" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232249">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="261224">@triagebot</span> end-meeting</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232251" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> triagebot <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232251">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:46)</a>:</h4>
<p>Does anyone have something to bring up?<br>
React with <span aria-label="working on it" class="emoji emoji-1f6e0" role="img" title="working on it">:working_on_it:</span> if you have something to say.<br>
React with <span aria-label="all good" class="emoji emoji-2705" role="img" title="all good">:all_good:</span> if you're ready to end the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236232339" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Charles Ellis O&#x27;Riley Jr. <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236232339">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>For the sake of expediency,  I noticed that svg files were used for The Book, which <a href="http://draw.io">draw.io</a> can produce but I also just went through the book and noticed a dot directory in which the had code from graphviz.  So, to keep things the same, I'll continue a deep dive into graphviz <span aria-label="smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="smile">:smile:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236233542" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> scottmcm <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236233542">(Apr 26 2021 at 19:57)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="220273">Jane Lusby</span> <a href="#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26/near/236229716">said</a>:</p>
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<p>is anyone interested in following up on this Issue?</p>
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<p>I replied, FWIW.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting%202021-04-26/near/236257921" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Jane Lusby <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/257204-project-error-handling/topic/Meeting.202021-04-26.html#236257921">(Apr 26 2021 at 23:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>you're the best, thank you</p>



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